Pistenclub 28.02.2010 Hockenheim

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Pistenclub is crazy expensive.

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Original von JohnG-79 Pistenclub is crazy expensive.

....und da fahren doch blos Porsche und Ferrari Fahrer ; und die unterhalten sich nicht mit jedem

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Original von JohnG-79 Pistenclub is crazy expensive.

good comment...
not!

But its one of the very few opportunities to drive or test your racecar on a lot of different tracks around europe.
plus there are quite a lot of flagmarshals around the track, so its "safe" too.

Besides the costs to run racecar (997 GT3 Cup for example) ~300-400 Euro for a whole day of Testing is not crazy expensive...

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Original von SimonR-85 Zitat: Original von JohnG-79 Pistenclub is crazy expensive. good comment... not! But its one of the very few opportunities to drive or test your racecar on a lot of different tracks around europe. plus there are quite a lot of flagmarshals around the track, so its "safe" too. Besides the costs to run racecar (997 GT3 Cup for example) ~300-400 Euro for a whole day of Testing is not crazy expensive...

Few opprotunities???? you must live under a rock...there are tons.

So they wanted 470 and knocked it down to whatever..still too much. A good example is SPA.. They wanted some crazy amount, yet Cyr seems to get it for half the price with less drivers Screw them one for people with more money then brains.

The last pistenclub trackday I was at I was in a 997 GT3, And guess what.. too many people, some asshole on slicks throwing rocks (we were told NO Slicks, but we are not in the Good ole boy club) ...and it pretty much sucked ass, The was at the ring on the GP track.

Hallo,

ich versteh euch nicht! Ihr gebt immer ein haufen Geld aus, um an einen Tag ein Paar mal um einen Kurs zu fahren! Baut euch einen Käfig rein,geht zum NAVC meldet euch für die Deutsche Amateur Rundstreckenmeisterschaft an, und habt Spaß ohne ENDE! Ein Rennwochenende, freies Training, Zeit Training, erstes Rennen und zweites Rennen für 100- 200 € je nach Strecke!
Gefahren wird Hockenheim, Most, Colmar Berg, Schlotheim, Nürburgring und Oschersleben und wer weiß vielleicht sogar ein Meistertitel am Schluß!
Termine:
http://www.navc.de/phpnuke/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=120

Mfg Michl

Yeah and check out the open days at SPA..

You can be sure, that i do not live under a rock..

so tell me other opportunities?
Like the "lizenz fahrten" or "licence driving" in Hockenheim.
I drove there once. it costs 270€ for half a day..
from 9 to 12, or 12 to 15
open pitlane, you could drive as much as you want.
very few cars driving on the track plus you gotta have a national A drivers licence at least.
Of course there are other trackdays for non road cars to. but the price is always the same... +/- a few bucks.

As i said... if you drive a race car in races, the few bucks for 1 or 2 trackdays a year dont bother you very much.
even if you drive your roadcar on racetracks regulary its a very few amount of money compared to tires, brakes, gas you use, and of course wear down of your car.. it wont last forever.. you gotta calculate that too.


and btw: i was told every time that slicks were allowed in the road cars group too.. no clue who told you not to use slicks.
if you care about your car getting hit with stones or rubberpieces or get any scratches at all: dont go to a racetrack

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Original von JohnG-79 Zitat: Original von SimonR-85 Zitat: Original von JohnG-79 Pistenclub is crazy expensive. good comment... not! But its one of the very few opportunities to drive or test your racecar on a lot of different tracks around europe. plus there are quite a lot of flagmarshals around the track, so its "safe" too. Besides the costs to run racecar (997 GT3 Cup for example) ~300-400 Euro for a whole day of Testing is not crazy expensive... Few opprotunities???? you must live under a rock...there are tons. So they wanted 470 and knocked it down to whatever..still too much. A good example is SPA.. They wanted some crazy amount, yet Cyr seems to get it for half the price with less drivers Screw them one for people with more money then brains. The last pistenclub trackday I was at I was in a 997 GT3, And guess what.. too many people, some asshole on slicks throwing rocks (we were told NO Slicks, but we are not in the Good ole boy club) ...and it pretty much sucked ass, The was at the ring on the GP track.

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Original von MichaelR-75 Hallo, ich versteh euch nicht! Ihr gebt immer ein haufen Geld aus, um an einen Tag ein Paar mal um einen Kurs zu fahren! Baut euch einen Käfig rein,geht zum NAVC meldet euch für die Deutsche Amateur Rundstreckenmeisterschaft an,

Naja.... der NAVC hat jetzt eher nicht so den guten Ruf, würd ich sagen.
Es sollen schon einige vermeidbare Schäden an Autos entstehen, einfach auf Grund der Fahrweise von anderen Teilnehmern.Wenn ich es mal so ausdrücken soll.

Muss aber dazu sagen, dass ich dort noch nie teilgenommen hab, hab nurnmal so einen Tag beobachten können, beim Pistenclub.
Und die meisten Autos die da mitfahren ,sind jetzt auch nicht so.. naja... qualitativ hochwärtig oder gar schön anzusehen..
wie auch immer ich das sagen soll.

Hallo!
So ein schmarrn, ich fahre seit 4 Jahren beim NAVC Rundstreckenrennen, und hatte bis jetzt noch keinen nenneswerten Schaden! Autos naja teils teils! Ich war aber auch schon bei vielen Trackdays, wo danach M3,Porsches usw nur noch Schrottwert hatten (Pistenclub Hockenheim oder Oschersleben)!
Kommt immer auf die eigene Fahrweise an, ob man sich raushält oder einen auf ich kann später bremsen als du !
Der NAVC bietet günstigen Motorsport, die sich auch oft die Strecken mit dem Pistenclub teilen, deswegen weiß ich, was die Zahlen und was sie fahren können! Wenn ich dann vergleiche was die in der kurzen Zeit an Schaden angerichtet haben, entsteht bei uns unter Rennbedingungen fast nix!
Einfach vorbei schauen, und sich selbst eine Meinung bilden!

Mfg Michl

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Original von SimonR-85 You can be sure, that i do not live under a rock.. so tell me other opportunities? Like the "lizenz fahrten" or "licence driving" in Hockenheim. I drove there once. it costs 270€ for half a day.. from 9 to 12, or 12 to 15 open pitlane, you could drive as much as you want. very few cars driving on the track plus you gotta have a national A drivers licence at least. Of course there are other trackdays for non road cars to. but the price is always the same... +/- a few bucks. As i said... if you drive a race car in races, the few bucks for 1 or 2 trackdays a year dont bother you very much. even if you drive your roadcar on racetracks regulary its a very few amount of money compared to tires, brakes, gas you use, and of course wear down of your car.. it wont last forever.. you gotta calculate that too. and btw: i was told every time that slicks were allowed in the road cars group too.. no clue who told you not to use slicks. if you care about your car getting hit with stones or rubberpieces or get any scratches at all: dont go to a racetrack Zitat: Original von JohnG-79 Zitat: Original von SimonR-85 Zitat: Original von JohnG-79 Pistenclub is crazy expensive. good comment... not! But its one of the very few opportunities to drive or test your racecar on a lot of different tracks around europe. plus there are quite a lot of flagmarshals around the track, so its "safe" too. Besides the costs to run racecar (997 GT3 Cup for example) ~300-400 Euro for a whole day of Testing is not crazy expensive... Few opprotunities???? you must live under a rock...there are tons. So they wanted 470 and knocked it down to whatever..still too much. A good example is SPA.. They wanted some crazy amount, yet Cyr seems to get it for half the price with less drivers Screw them one for people with more money then brains. The last pistenclub trackday I was at I was in a 997 GT3, And guess what.. too many people, some asshole on slicks throwing rocks (we were told NO Slicks, but we are not in the Good ole boy club) ...and it pretty much sucked ass, The was at the ring on the GP track.

For starters you can look at SPA's page they have like 6 open days this year, You can drive GLP, there are a bunch of other track day orgs offering the same for ALOT less then pistenclub, as for the "if you can't handle someone driving with slicks you should stay off the track" ....It is a fucking trackday for ROADCARS (only one group, they said NO race only cars) not TEST and TUNE your wanna be old ass porsche with old slicks like this asshat did, My buddys GT3 is NOT a race car nor was any other persons carthat was there..We were not the only ones to complain.

Reicht jetzt hier. Nicht streiten. Wer nicht an der Pistenclub-Club-Veranstaltung teilnehmen möchte soll es bitte lassen. Niemand wird gezwungen dazu.
Wer wessen Autos mit Steinen beschossen hat ist mir auch egal. Besonders wenns in Englisch ist.

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Original von TilmanQ-79 Reicht jetzt hier. Nicht streiten. Wer nicht an der Pistenclub-Club-Veranstaltung teilnehmen möchte soll es bitte lassen. Niemand wird gezwungen dazu. Wer wessen Autos mit Steinen beschossen hat ist mir auch egal. Besonders wenns in Englisch ist.

Ok Mr. big shot.

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Original von TilmanQ-79 Reicht jetzt hier. Nicht streiten. Wer nicht an der Pistenclub-Club-Veranstaltung teilnehmen möchte soll es bitte lassen. Niemand wird gezwungen dazu. Wer wessen Autos mit Steinen beschossen hat ist mir auch egal. Besonders wenns in Englisch ist.

Mal ne Frage:
Bist du dem Englischen mächtig?

Hier streitet eigendlich niemand..


John:

you say "offers the same".. your right.. for roadcars!
GLP = Roadcars
No clue about Spa, but spa may be to far away for some people.
besides that i really love spa, its the best track after the nordschleife that i have ever driven.

and i never ever said "if you cant handle people with slicks, get of the track"
i said if you dont want your car to get hit by little stones and/or rubberpieces THEN dont go to a track. That happens with streettires too.

And for GLP:
Well, i dont really like GLP because of 2 things:
a) i dont want to drive "gleichmäßig" or the same time over and over again... i would fall asleep...
b) i dont want to drive as fast as i want/can/whatever you wanna call it, and then wait 2-1 minutes standing on the döttinger höhe because im not allowed to drive under 10 minutes a lap...

thats why im driving RCN,345euros per race (if you join the series at the beginning of the year for 400 euros).
And there are 8 races pear season.
you have to drive 15 laps on the nordschleife with some changing "rules"
2 laps have to been driving at a time, you set yourself in the first lap, so thats some "GLP-ish" there. but the rest of the laps you have to drive as fast as you can to get a good position of course

but whatever..
to pistenclub again:
drivers could also join the pistenclub for a year.
as far as i can remember i payed 75 oder 95 euros?

Then the trackdays are not 470, but 350 or 370..something around that


PS: again... i was ALWAYS told that slicks were allowed on the road car class at pistenclub... i have no clue why someone told you not to use slicks.
And im sure the guy with "your wanna be old ass porsche with old slicks" would have annoyed you/the GT3guy even without slicks.
there are dickheads around on every trackday or touristenfahrten.
the same as they are on real races.

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Original von SimonR-85 Zitat: Original von TilmanQ-79 Reicht jetzt hier. Nicht streiten. Wer nicht an der Pistenclub-Club-Veranstaltung teilnehmen möchte soll es bitte lassen. Niemand wird gezwungen dazu. Wer wessen Autos mit Steinen beschossen hat ist mir auch egal. Besonders wenns in Englisch ist. Mal ne Frage: Bist du dem Englischen mächtig? Hier streitet eigendlich niemand..

Ja. Fließend. Wenn ich will fast ohne Akzent. Aber eine ganze Menge von Leuten hier nicht. Denen gegenüber empfinde ich es als unhöflich.

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Original von SimonR-85 Zitat: Original von TilmanQ-79 Reicht jetzt hier. Nicht streiten. Wer nicht an der Pistenclub-Club-Veranstaltung teilnehmen möchte soll es bitte lassen. Niemand wird gezwungen dazu. Wer wessen Autos mit Steinen beschossen hat ist mir auch egal. Besonders wenns in Englisch ist. Mal ne Frage: Bist du dem Englischen mächtig? Hier streitet eigendlich niemand.. John: you say "offers the same".. your right.. for roadcars! GLP = Roadcars No clue about Spa, but spa may be to far away for some people. besides that i really love spa, its the best track after the nordschleife that i have ever driven. and i never ever said "if you cant handle people with slicks, get of the track" i said if you dont want your car to get hit by little stones and/or rubberpieces THEN dont go to a track. That happens with streettires too. And for GLP: Well, i dont really like GLP because of 2 things: a) i dont want to drive "gleichmäßig" or the same time over and over again... i would fall asleep... b) i dont want to drive as fast as i want/can/whatever you wanna call it, and then wait 2-1 minutes standing on the döttinger höhe because im not allowed to drive under 10 minutes a lap... thats why im driving RCN,345euros per race (if you join the series at the beginning of the year for 400 euros). And there are 8 races pear season. you have to drive 15 laps on the nordschleife with some changing "rules" 2 laps have to been driving at a time, you set yourself in the first lap, so thats some "GLP-ish" there. but the rest of the laps you have to drive as fast as you can to get a good position of course but whatever.. to pistenclub again: drivers could also join the pistenclub for a year. as far as i can remember i payed 75 oder 95 euros? Then the trackdays are not 470, but 350 or 370..something around that PS: again... i was ALWAYS told that slicks were allowed on the road car class at pistenclub... i have no clue why someone told you not to use slicks. And im sure the guy with "your wanna be old ass porsche with old slicks" would have annoyed you/the GT3guy even without slicks. there are dickheads around on every trackday or touristenfahrten. the same as they are on real races.

Thanks for the information on the GLP and RCN I had no idea what they were

I say "roadcars" because your pic shows a road legal evo... maybe i'm wrong. As for the pistinclub day with the GT3, It was GP track road legal only..I even asked twice.. Maybe they thought I was going to show up with a GT car who knows.. as for the old ass porsche ..was SLOW AS SHIT.. It looked to be a old carbed narrow track 911. Ran like shit. We never really came across him.

What car are you driving RCN with? Rumor has it there will be a STi driving in it this year.

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Original von JohnG-79 Thanks for the information on the GLP and RCN I had no idea what they were I say "roadcars" because your pic shows a road legal evo... maybe i'm wrong. As for the pistinclub day with the GT3, It was GP track road legal only..I even asked twice.. Maybe they thought I was going to show up with a GT car who knows.. as for the old ass porsche ..was SLOW AS SHIT.. It looked to be a old carbed narrow track 911. Ran like shit. We never really came across him. What car are you driving RCN with? Rumor has it there will be a STi driving in it this year.

Sorry, i had no clue that your like mr i know everything.

please excuse my stupidity.

and i was talking about RACEcars from the beginning on.
so either you did not read or you did not want to understand what i wrote.
well, i dont care

the second RCN race i drove on a weak slow ass bmw E36 318is with a friend of mine in the F2.

the next 2 races i drove a slow ass old wannabe racecar porsche

then i took a brake,
after that i drove the last 3 races with a slow porsche 993 cup car, in the H5.

final post from me

see you at the rcn then.

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Original von AchimR-70 Zitat: Original von JohnG-79 Pistenclub is crazy expensive. ....und da fahren doch blos Porsche und Ferrari Fahrer ; und die unterhalten sich nicht mit jedem

gewäsch!!!!!!


ich war 10 jahrelang im porschelager....... fahre nun nen reiskocher und bald wieder nen GT3

unter "sportautofahrern" ist jeder willkommen!

ich habe bei einer porscheveranstaltung zB am STi geschnuppert..... nu hab ich einen!

das sagt doch alles !